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An interesting dynamic soon developed between the three of us. Dave was the quintessential professional, thinking way ahead of everyone, and Jim never disagreed with him. As I grew in confidence, occasionally Dave and I had differences of opinion. There were mission tasks I thought should be done a certain way, and I believe that I thought them out pretty well. Dave, however, had also considered them closely, and he had a different twist on them. He wanted things his way, but on a few occasions I had to tell him, “Well, Dave, I am not sure I want to do it like that.” Jim never said a word.

I always really liked Jim, and I would have done anything for him. Still, I often wished that he would get angry, or at least say something, when these disagreements came up. He was not assertive about his input into the flight preparations, such as procedures and flight plans. Jim’s reticence left me to argue with Dave. Our arguments were a healthy process, but Jim receded in the face of even a healthy conflict. I would get so frustrated, because Jim would never stand up for anything, or even tell me if he agreed or disagreed with me. I began to think of him as Dave’s shadow.

Oddly enough, it all worked out; we trained very well together. Perhaps we needed different personalities to make a good team. With Jim as his yes-man, Dave could get everything done his way, in a thorough, detailed manner. Jim wouldn’t have much to do on the flight except watch over the systems, and he excelled at that. In a way, he would be along for the ride until he stepped on the moon. Jim didn’t really have the kind of personality to become a mission commander. He would be an extension of Dave’s thoughts and actions, which was not necessarily a bad thing in a lunar module. If Jim was a follower not a leader, he had a great leader in Dave.

With Dave Scott (left) and Jim Irwin in front of the spacecraft simulators

My occasional disagreements with Dave never held up our work. Jim and I tended to follow his lead on everything. He really worked us hard and led us so well that we were soon obsessed with preparing Apollo 12 for flight. In fact, the more I trained with Dave, the more my respect for him grew. We didn’t have a bond of friendship; we had something rarer—a bond of competence and professionalism.

We three differed considerably from the prime crew. Pete Conrad, my racing colleague, was very close and loyal to his crew of Dick Gordon and Al Bean, both during Apollo and for the rest of his life. I believe Dick and Al had the same feelings of loyalty to him. Naval aviators who had all known each other long before they came to NASA, to the outside world they seemed like brothers. They did everything together, driving identical gold-and-black Corvettes with their crew positions painted on the sides. They showed the world that they were a tightly bonded team.

Our crew saw those Corvettes not only as a deliberate challenge, but also as a little tacky. So we did something a little different. We obtained matching Corvette models, but Jim’s was red, mine was white, and Dave’s was blue. Each had bold red, white, and blue stripes painted right down the center of the car. We were a team, but we were also individuals.

The different cars seemed symbolic of the differences between our crews. The Apollo 12 guys went everywhere together. If you saw one gold-and-black car, you would see three. Eventually, this caused some problems, because astronauts don’t always want to be recognized. Sometimes, it was better to disappear into the woodwork. Our crew didn’t have that problem, as you would rarely see our three cars together.

Although we didn’t socialize much as a crew, I spent a lot of time with Jim in Houston. Down at the Cape, the three of us played handball and tennis, and went out to dinner and the bars. Outside of those moments, however, our crew was never too close. I recall feeling like I could never completely let down my guard. There was always a little thought in the back of my head: I never wanted to put Dave Scott in a position where he could say anything negative about me. He never did during all of our training together, and I am not sure he ever would have. Nevertheless, I couldn’t quite shake that nagging feeling.

I admit I envied Dick Gordon, Pete Conrad’s command module pilot. I held the same position on the backup crew, and as Dick’s immediate backup I came to know him very well. He soon became perhaps my closest friend in the entire program. Gregarious and mischievous, Dick is one of those rare colleagues who can do excellent, hard work while keeping things fun. When the workday ended, he could really let loose. I enjoyed his company greatly. I still do.

The Apollo 12 support crew of PJ Weitz, Ed Gibson, and Jerry Carr were a bunch of pranksters, too. For the postflight party, they created a great home movie starring a guy in a gorilla suit and a girl in a bikini inside the spacecraft—zany stuff. They dressed me in a bald cap and glasses to play a mad scientist and filmed me speeding around the Cape in a Formula Vee racing car. The crew fell over laughing when they watched the movie.

Dick and I spent a lot of time together flying back and forth to Los Angeles, where we worked on the Apollo 12 command module at Downey. I had been making that trip so much by then that it was second nature to me. I knew where the pay phones were, the rental cars, and the hotels; I could have found them blindfolded. A good thing, too, because with no distractions, I could really zero in on the work.

I particularly recall one trip when Dick and I were flying from Houston to Los Angeles in a T-38. As usual, our clothes hung in wardrobe bags between the front and back seats. It was the only place to stuff them in that aircraft. We landed in El Paso for a quick refueling, opening the canopy while the aircraft was refueled by the ground crew. As we taxied back to the runway to take off, Dick started to close the canopy. Somehow, the clothing bags became caught in the mechanism, and before we could stop the process the canopy came loose. Crap, we thought, we really messed up. We couldn’t fix it ourselves, so we taxied back to the hangar, and let the maintenance crew take over.

We still needed to get to Downey and couldn’t wait around, so we grabbed our bags and parachutes, put our flying helmets in special bags, and rode over to the commercial flight terminal, where we could catch a passenger flight to Los Angeles. We were able to find seats on a Continental Airlines flight, one that was leaving immediately.

The flight crew put us in the front of the airplane, where we stowed our helmets and hanging bags, and belted up our parachutes. As the other passengers boarded, there we sat. They freaked out. “What is wrong with this airplane?” they demanded of us. “Are you guys going to bail out?” We couldn’t stop laughing. It was a great, inadvertent “Gotcha” on all of those passengers.

I had a great time working with Dick on his command module. I already knew a lot of the systems inside out, but being a backup crewmember brought a whole new level of training. If anything happened to Dick, I would be flying to the moon in his place. I needed to learn that spacecraft thoroughly. Considering it was such a small vehicle, it is amazing how complex it was.

Not many people understand that American spacecraft like Apollo were flown solely by the pilots on board. Mission control could never control a spacecraft from the ground. They could send us information, either verbally or by transmitting data, but the astronaut had to perform an action inside the spacecraft to carry out the request. It was different from how the Soviets operated at the time, because their spacecraft were far more automated. This difference was something very important to us as pilots.

Another misconception is that the Apollo spacecraft used cutting-edge technology. In fact, the spacecraft that flew in the late 1960s and early 1970s used equipment mostly designed in the 1950s. I believe this was a conscious decision by the designers at NASA and North American: better to have something reliable than cutting-edge. I think all of the astronauts were happy with this decision.