‘I’m sorry to have interrupted.’ Joe introduced himself.
‘It’s the Mothers’ Union.’ The priest nodded towards the door through which the women had gone. ‘They meet every month and we always start with a short service. They’ll be having coffee and mince pies. The last session before Christmas.’ He sounded wistful and Joe had the sense that he resented being kept away from the pies.
‘I’ll not keep you long.’
Gruskin sighed and sat on the pew next to Joe. Under his cassock he was wearing black cord trousers and old-fashioned black shoes. The men were of a similar age, but had nothing at all in common. Joe saw that there was a hole in the priest’s sock, near the ribbing, and he wondered what it must be like to live alone in a place like Mardle, with only elderly women to keep you company. Because Joe was sure that Gruskin was single.
Through the open door came the high-pitched chatter of women’s voices, the clink of teaspoons against crockery.
‘I suppose you’re here about Margaret Krukowski,’ Gruskin said. ‘There were two women detectives the other day. I told them everything I knew then.’
‘Sometimes’ – Joe chose his words carefully – ‘it isn’t just about what people know.’ He paused. ‘It can be useful to hear what people think, or guess, or suspect. Usually we wouldn’t encourage idle gossip, but in a case like this, that sort of unconfirmed suspicion can make all the difference.’ He turned in the pew so that he was looking at the priest. ‘Do you understand what I’m saying?’
There was a moment of silence, the background hiss of a tea urn.
‘There was some resentment in the parish because Margaret kept herself to herself,’ Gruskin said at last. ‘It was viewed in some quarters as a kind of snobbishness. She spoke differently from the rest of the congregation and didn’t have the shared experiences. I suspect that people made up their own stories to fill the gaps.’
‘And what sort of stories were those?’
‘There was an implication of a somewhat colourful past.’ Gruskin shifted uneasily. Joe thought the priest had found the stories exciting. Perhaps he’d even encouraged them, or elaborated on them in his imagination when he was alone. There was something very creepy about him. ‘Male friends. You know.’
‘Did Malcolm Kerr ever feature in these tales?’ Joe thought he was even starting to sound like Gruskin now and rephrased the question. ‘Were there rumours that Margaret and Kerr had been lovers?’
Gruskin looked horrified. ‘I’m not sure that the gossip was that specific.’
‘Have you heard rumours about a relationship between Margaret and Kerr?’ Joe was starting to lose patience. He could see why Vera had been so irritated by this man.
‘There were probably rumours about a relationship between Margaret and every man in Mardle.’ The priest was being waspish now. ‘My congregation thought she was stand-offish and proud, because she spoke with an educated accent, read books and refused to get involved with their gossip. They could be cruel.’
‘But specifically about her and Kerr?’
‘Yes, there were those rumours. The relationship was supposed to have caused the breakdown of Margaret’s marriage. I don’t believe it. Margaret still spoke of her ex-husband with great affection.’ Gruskin gave a small smile. ‘Of course that was long before my time here. I would have been a baby. But Mardle people have long memories.’
‘Margaret was seen in Kerr’s car the day before she died,’ Joe said. ‘He took her out to the Haven. Was he in the habit of giving her a lift, do you know?’
There was another silence. Joe had the impression that Gruskin was surprised by this information. ‘I really don’t think so,’ he said at last. Joe waited for him to continue. ‘I offered to take her out to Holypool on a number of occasions, but she always refused. She said she preferred to use public transport.’
‘Did you know that Margaret was ill?’ Joe paused for a beat, but Gruskin didn’t reply immediately and he continued. ‘She had bowel cancer.’
The Mothers’ Union party was getting into full swing. The voices were louder and there was a burst of laughter.
‘No.’ Gruskin stared out towards the altar. ‘I wish she had confided in me about that. I might have been able to help.’ But his voice was petulant and Joe thought the priest resented Margaret’s obsession with privacy as much as his parishioners had. He would have been able to do nothing to help her.
They were interrupted by the elderly organist. She carried a tray, with two cups of coffee and a plate of mince pies. Her progress up the aisle was as slow as the tempo of her music.
‘No need for these, Ida,’ Gruskin said. ‘I was just coming to join you. I think Sergeant Ashworth has finished now.’
‘Not quite.’ Joe took the cup and a pie from the plate the woman held. ‘There are just a few more questions.’ He waited until she had disappeared before he continued the conversation. In that time Gruskin ate two pies, very quickly and with a glum concentration. ‘I wanted to ask you about Dee Robson.’
‘You think she might be involved in Margaret’s murder?’ The priest looked up sharply and seemed almost relieved.
‘No, there’s no question of that. She’s on the edge of the inquiry. A possible witness. I understand that she was asked to leave the Haven. I wondered if you could explain why.’
‘Ah,’ Gruskin said. ‘Deirdre Robson. An unfortunate woman, with limited intellectual capacity. We couldn’t keep her at the Haven, though. Not after the incident. Jane Cameron, who runs the place, made that quite clear and the trustees supported her judgement.’
‘Perhaps you could tell me exactly what happened.’ Joe spoke sharply. Now that Gruskin had been given something to eat he seemed prepared to sit and chat. Joe found the atmosphere in the church oppressive and wanted to be away.
‘She had cards printed at one of those machines in the Metro station. Advertising her…’ Gruskin paused for a moment ‘… services. Using the Haven’s address and telephone number. They appeared all over Mardle. Jane was bothered by unsavoury phone calls at all hours of the night. A couple of men even turned up in cars, mistaking the place for…’ He paused again.
‘A brothel?’
‘Quite.’ Gruskin blinked rapidly. ‘Dee was already on a final warning, after turning up at the house drunk. We contacted her social worker and asked that he find somewhere more suitable.’
Joe thought of the bleak flat on Percy Street. That didn’t seem suitable accommodation for anyone. ‘But Margaret kept in touch with her.’
Gruskin sniffed. ‘She didn’t take it as seriously as we did. She even questioned whether Dee would have been capable of having the cards printed, and suggested that one of the other women might have had a tasteless joke at Dee’s expense.’
‘What did you think?’
Gruskin shrugged. ‘Jane seemed to find Dee a disruptive element within the Haven. She is the professional, she lives there and has more experience than the rest of us put together. I felt that we had to trust her judgement. It was clear to me that the woman would have to leave.’
‘When did this happen?’ Joe had disapproved of Dee Robson, but he wished that this priest would show a more Christian attitude to a sinner. The man’s ruthlessness made him uncomfortable.
Gruskin considered for a moment. ‘Six weeks ago.’
‘Did Margaret tell you that she was continuing to visit Dee?’
‘She made no secret of it. She was angry about the way the trustees dealt with it, actually. I wondered if she would stop volunteering at the Haven. Her relationship with Jane became rather strained.’
Ashworth thought back to his meeting with the women in the Haven and with the warden. Jane wouldn’t have mentioned Dee Robson at all, if one of the others hadn’t suggested that she should be informed of the murder. He wondered if the smiling and competent Scotswoman had something to hide. Perhaps she’d simply been embarrassed to have fallen out with one of her volunteers, just before she was murdered. He stood up. ‘Thanks.’