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“That’s nothing to do with it. Nobody knows.” He was going to say more, but George said:

“That’s right. And yet a man that’ll burn you over something nobody in all this world knows and most people think is a whole lot of crap—”

“Yet you’d do the same on the opposite side! What’s the difference?”

“You’re right, yes I would.” He pushed his cup away. “I’d burn up all the holy bigots on earth, all the death-wishers that ever lived, if you can call it living. There’s not one in a million of ’em that’s honest. Not one! You think anybody in this world’s so stupid he can honestly believe in the man with the beard in the sky? What does it mean? Heretic fires and Jew fires and scientist fires, noble wars against conveniently rich pagans. Pah!”

Simon Bale said, “The desire of the wicked shall perish. Thus saith the Lord.”

“And I say, ‘Pah,’ ” George said.

Callie came in the back door with Jimmy and started over to the booth to the right of the door with him, to give him his supper. She looked over at George, then kept on walking, holding Jimmy’s hand. Her mother went over to her and they started to talk in low voices, never looking in the direction of the counter. Jimmy peeked around behind his grandmother’s back. George went on ranting, his voice low and brimming with disgust, but Henry could listen with only half his mind. He wanted to concentrate on the argument — there was something important that wasn’t getting said, he couldn’t just yet say what, though he knew it was there — but more customers had come in now: a family, people on a trip of some kind, the man stocky and tired-looking, wearing sunglasses, a blue short-sleeved shirt; the woman fat and blonde, a light green dress with white circles on it, brown and white shoes; the little boy (seven or eight) in jeans and a T-shirt and a New York Yankees baseball cap. Henry filled water glasses and went over to them. “Evening,” he said. (George was saying behind him: “Religion’s strictly a gimmick people use to get power over other people. You want to know who says ‘God’ more often than a minister? A politician. Fact.”)

“Beautiful country you got here,” the man said. He had reddish hair, almost all of it gone from the top of his head, and where he was bald he had freckles.

“Yes, sir,” Henry said. “Best country I ever saw.” They laughed, even if the joke was not very clear. “Only country I ever saw. Ha, ha,” he added, too late. They laughed again.

“Hope you’ve got cooking like your scenery,” the woman said, “I’m famished.”

Henry said, wide-eyed, faintly excited as he always was when he became the spokesman for all the region, “I never heard of anybody leaving the Catskills hungry!”

They laughed joyfully; he could have reached out for their hands. The boy said: “You got hamburgers?”

“House specialty,” Henry said. They laughed.

George Loomis was saying: “If I was your kid and I took up smoking, would you whip me for it, Simon? Is it a sin, smoking? It gives you cancer, yes, everybody knows that — though on the other hand it can sometimes save you a nervous breakdown — but is it a sin?”

Simon said, “I will praise the Lord with my whole heart, in the assembly of the upright, and in the congregation.”

“Fuck the congregation’s bloody cunt,” George Loomis said. He stuck out his lower lip and chin, like a child gone insane.

Henry left the tourists looking over the menu, because the woman was one that would take a long time, he knew the type. When he got back to the counter the truckers were ready to pay up. Callie’s mother was sitting across from Callie and Jimmy, and they were leaning toward each other like gossips. Jimmy was watching George, paying no attention to his supper. One of the truckers said, “Boy they really go at it, eh, Slim?”

Henry shook his head, smiling (but he felt frustrated, cross. There were things that weren’t getting said. He wanted to make them shut up and think a minute, talk sense). He rang up the truckers’ checks.

“Henry,” George shouted over to him, “I ask you man to man if it’s not a fact that there isn’t any devil and there isn’t any God, and even if there is, a man who doesn’t believe in God lives a better life than a man who does. Now I want you to tell me the truth.” Henry started to answer, but George said: “A man that thinks he’s righteous is deadly, you know it. He takes credit for things he’s got nothing to do with — accidents like his living where he happens to live and knowing exactly the people he knows. He thinks he’s Jesus H. Christ and it makes him arrogant.”

But the family in the booth was ready now. “Some other time,” Henry said. He went over to the family in the booth.

The man said, “I guess I’ll try that beef sandwich, Slim.”

Henry got out his checkpad.

By the time Henry had their orders ready, more people had come. It was the busy time, and he saw there was no hope now of his getting back to the argument. Callie and Jimmy had finished eating, and Callie left Jimmy sitting in the corner with a couple of toy trucks while she and her mother helped Henry keep up. George and Simon, the next time Henry got back to them, were gulping down food, still arguing — or rather, George still arguing, Simon still sitting tense and silent for long stretches, then suddenly breaking in angrily with some long quotation from the Bible. Then Doc Cathey was there, standing with his hands in his suitcoat pockets and his glasses down his nose, picking his teeth with his tongue and looking mad as the devil. He said, “You sound like a Commie, George.” “Damn right I do,” George said. “Fine, that’s the spirit,” Doc Cathey said. “You turn over half your farm to Simon Bale and I’ll believe you. But till then I’ll tell you right out it’s nothing but lies.” They were shouting, all three of them now, Simon saying, “Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil.” But nobody especially noticed the shouting. The diner was full now — four truckers laughing loudly about a story of another trucker in Pennsylvania who’d fixed a cop that was tailing him too close, Jim Millet telling about a fellow he’d fixed a tire for last night on 99, Nick Blue and Walt Forrest’s hired man talking about the new houses going up this side of New Carthage, two men in business suits, salesmen maybe, talking about how some Chevy place gave away free flowers every time a lady bought a new Corvette. It was a time of day Henry normally liked, the supper hour when the whole room began to hum and the walls when you put your fingertips on them shivered like the top of the piano when somebody was playing it. He would sink down into that bustle the way he would sink down into warm river water, and he would be sorry for people who weren’t caught up, as he was, in the buzzing, blooming confusion. But tonight he was eager for the time to be over. There were a hundred things he wanted to say, and every few minutes he would glance over where George and Simon and Doc Cathey were, to see if they were still there. (Doc Cathey was saying: “All Reds are liars. That’s not a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of fact. You take a man that’s spent years breeding coonhounds. You tell that man he’s got to pass his hounds around among people that don’t know a hound from a cow, and that man will cave your head in, and rightly so.”)

Callie said, “Henry, why don’t you break them up?”

“How can I?” Henry said.

She said, “They’re bothering the others. I mean it. They’re yelling like a bunch of drunkards.”

But then Callie’s mother came and told him the dishwasher had quit, and he had to hand over his counter checks to Callie and go fix it. It was the usual trouble, the belt underneath, and as usual it took him half an hour to get it fixed. When he got back, Doc Cathey was gone. Most of the others were gone, too; there were only six people left, four of them people who’d been there before he went in to the dishwasher, two of them truckers who’d just come in. George was saying, letting smoke out with the words, “I can’t talk to you. You’re cracked.” Simon sat with his shoulders pulled in like a man wrapped tightly in rope, his fists under his chin. It was dusk outside, almost dark. George got up and paid his check, and Henry walked over to the door with him.