Jessica introduced herself and Terry Cahill. She took the lead in the questioning.
"This is about the video killer case, isn't it?" Butler asked.
They had kept most of the details of the Psycho killing from the press, but a story had run in the Inquirer that the police were investigating a bizarre homicide that someone had filmed.
"Yes, sir," Jessica said. "I'd like to ask you a few questions, but I want your assurance that I can count on your discretion."
"Absolutely," Butler said.
"I'd appreciate it, Mr. Butler."
"Actually, it's Dr. Butler, but please call me Nigel."
Jessica gave him a basic background on the case, including the discovery of the second tape, leaving out the more gruesome details, as well as anything that might compromise the investigation. Butler listened the whole time, his face impassive. When she was finished, he asked: "What can I do to help?"
"Well, we're trying to get a handle on why he is doing this, and where this might be going."
"Of course."
Jessica had been wrestling with a notion since she had first seen the Psycho tape. She decided to just ask. "Is someone making snuff movies here?"
Butler smiled, sighed, shook his head.
"Did I say something funny?" Jessica asked.
"I'm sorry," Butler said. "It's just that, of all the urban legends, the legend of the snuff movie is probably the most stubborn."
"What do you mean?"
"I mean they don't exist. Or at least, I've never seen one. Nor has any of my colleagues."
"Are you saying that this is something you would watch if given the opportunity?" Jessica asked, hoping her tone wasn't as judgmental as she felt.
Butler seemed to think about this for a few moments before answering. He sat on the edge of the desk. "I've written four books on film, Detective. I've been a film buff my whole life, ever since my mother dropped me off at the movies in 1974 to see Benji."
Jessica was appropriately surprised. "You're saying that Benji started a lifelong scholarly interest in film?"
Butler laughed. "Well, I saw Chinatown instead. I've never been the same." He pulled a pipe out of a rack on the desk, started the pipe smoker's rituaclass="underline" cleaning, filling, tamping. He filled it, got a coal going. The aroma was sweet. "I was an alternative-press film critic for years, seeing five to ten movies a week, from the sublime artistry of Jacques Tati, to the indescribable banality of Pauly Shore. I own sixteen-millimeter prints of thirteen of what I consider to be the best fifty films ever made, and I'm nearing the purchase of number fourteen-Jean-Luc Godard's Weekend, in case you were wondering. I'm a big fan of French New Wave and a hopeless Francophile." Butler puffed his pipe, continued. "I once sat through all fifteen hours of Berlin Alexanderplatz, and the director's cut of JFK, which just seemed like fifteen hours. I have a daughter studying acting. If you were to ask me if there was a short film I would not watch, based on its subject matter, just for the experience, I would have to say no."
"Regardless of the subject matter," Jessica said, glancing at the photo on Butler's desk. In it, Butler stood at the foot of a stage with a smiling teenaged girl.
"Regardless of the subject matter," Butler echoed. "To me, and if I may speak for my colleagues, it is not necessarily about the subject of the film or the style or motif or theme, it is basically about the committing of light to celluloid. The fact that it was done and it remains. I don't think too many film scholars would call John Waters' Pink Flamingos art, but it remains an important artifact."
Jessica tried to absorb this. She wasn't sure she was ready to accept the possibilities of such a philosophy. "So you're saying there's no such thing as a snuff film."
"No," he said. "But every so often a mainstream Hollywood film will come along, stoking the fire, and the legend is reborn."
"Which Hollywood films are you talking about?"
"Well, 8MM for one," Nigel said. "And then there was that silly exploitation film Snuff from the midseventies. I think the main difference between the concept of a snuff film and what you're describing to me is that what you're describing to me could hardly be classified as erotic."
Jessica was incredulous. "And a snuff movie is?"
"Well, according to legend-or at least in the simulated brand of snuff film that has actually been produced and released-there are certain adult-film conventions."
"For instance."
"For instance, there is usually a teenaged girl or boy and a character that dominates them. There is generally a rough sexual element, a good deal of hard S and M. What you're talking about seems to be a different pathology altogether."
"Meaning?"
Butler smiled again. "I teach film studies, not abnormal psych."
"Can you glean anything from the choice of films?" Jessica asked.
"Well, Psycho would seem an obvious choice. Too obvious, in my opinion. Every time there is a top one hundred horror film list compiled, it always places near the top, if not the top. I believe it shows a lack of imagination on this… madman's part."
"And what about Fatal Attraction?"
"An interesting leap. The films are twenty-seven years apart. One is considered horror, the other is a rather mainstream thriller."
"What would you choose?"
"You mean, if I were advising him?"
"Yes."
Butler sat on the edge of the desk. Academics loved academic exercise. "Great question," he said. "Off the top of my head I would say, if you really wanted to get creative about all this-staying in the horror genre, although Psycho is forever misrepresented as a horror film when it is not-to go with something by Dario Argento or Lucio Fulci. Maybe Herschell Gordon Lewis or even early George Romero."
"Who are these people?"
"The first two were pioneers of seventies Italian splatter cinema," Terry Cahill said. "The latter two were their American counterparts. George Romero is most noted for his zombie series: Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, et cetera."
Everybody seems to know about this stuff but me, Jessica thought. Now would be a good time brush up on this subject.
"If you want to talk pre-Tarantino crime cinema, I would go with Peckinpah," Butler added. "But all of this is moot."
"Why do you say that?"
"There doesn't seem to be an obvious progression insofar as style or motif at work here. I would say that the person you are looking for is not particularly cerebral about horror or crime cinema."
"Any idea what his next choice might be?"
"You want me to extrapolate the mind-set of a killer?"
"Let's call it an academic exercise."
Nigel Butler smiled. Touche. "I should think he might choose something recent. Something released in the past fifteen years. Something that someone might actually rent."
Jessica made a few final notes. "Again, I would appreciate you keeping this all to yourself for the time being." She handed him a card. "If you think of anything else that might be helpful, please don't hesitate to call."
"D'accord," Nigel Butler replied. As they walked to the door, he added: "I don't mean to be forward, but has anyone ever told you that you look like a movie star?"
Here we go, Jessica thought. Was he coming on to her? In the middle of all this? She shot a glance at Cahill. He was clearly fighting a smile. CCi 1 о» "Excuse me?"
"Ava Gardner," Butler said. "Ayoung Ava Gardner. Maybe around the time of East Side, West Side."
"Uh, no," Jessica said, brushing the bangs from her forehead. Was she primping? Stop it. "But thanks for the compliment. We'll be in touch."
Ava Gardner, she thought, walking to the elevators. Please. ON THE WAY back to the Roundhouse, they swung by Adam Kaslov's apartment. Jessica rang the buzzer and knocked. No answer. She called his two places of employment. No one had seen him in the past thirty-six hours. These facts, added to the others, were probably enough to get a warrant. They couldn't use his juvenile record, but maybe they wouldn't need it. She dropped Cahill off at the Barnes amp; Noble on Rittenhouse Square. He said he wanted further peruse books on crime cinema, buying whatever he thought might be relevant. Nice to have Uncle Sam's credit card, Jessica thought.