Carl Dale was in DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency). He was a case reviewer for UFO projects and UFO investigations. And he used to come to the meetings―our former intelligence officer meetings, and he told us about a time in the early-1970s when they chased an ET around and tried to capture it in the Virginia/Washington DC area. It was quite a fascinating story about what happened. I had been told something about it by former CIA Director Richard Helms, who in fact, is a real falcon. It’s been out on the Internet some time now. I was always friends with him. I don’t know why; he just took me under his wing. My dad knew him years ago, and Richard Helms is one great guy. Of course, he passed away several years ago. But he told me a lot of things. He was involved in the subject. He knew things that I would be―it would make my hair stand up―about things he’d seen and done.
I was involved with the Germans on this subject when I was stationed in Germany. The BND [Bundesnachrichtendienst] is the German equivalent to the CIA. There was one particular incident that happened around a nuclear weapons storage area where something entered it, cut a fence, got in―but didn’t actually get into a bunker.
There is a depository of information and extraterrestrial artifacts at Fort Belvoir in Virginia and at the Naval Observatory underground at what they call the CIA off-site location in McLean, Virginia.
Then there’s Los Alamos. I was there once in the early-1980s, nothing to do with UFOs, but the security officer that was taking me around for another investigation I was doing pointed to this area and said, “That’s where we have all the UFO stuff.”
Bechtel Corporation was in charge of security and operations at a number of facilities, including the Nevada Test Site. One of their chief security officers was a former colleague of mine who worked with me at Kirtland. And Bechtel was involved with a lot of experiments regarding alien technology and reverse-engineering done at the Nevada Test Site, which is now the Nevada National Security Site.
I was briefed into a counterintelligence project in the early-1980s―Operation Pyramid, I think it was called. Sandia Labs had a project funding a study into time travel―whether you could go back in time or go forward in time. And they built facilities out there to test different things. They were using huge magnets in an underground facility and were shooting lasers and things through them trying to open up the fabric of space in order to do time travel. I don’t know what the outcome of it was. I don’t know if they ever figured it out or not.
They were also doing experiments in teleportation―moving across space in a non-linear way. They teleported something from one end of the table to the other. Maybe they did more, I just wasn’t aware of it.
I actually saw a craft flying above Groom Lake that did things that you couldn’t do with a conventional aircraft―flying fourteen hundred miles an hour and stopping, changing angles, and then going straight up and stopping, and coming back down. And this was a big aircraft. This was one of these oval-shaped alien crafts that they were testing out there. And this was in 1987. Common sense tells you it can’t be a conventional craft, it has to be anti-gravity or something, otherwise it would kill the pilot. I had a pilot standing next to me who had been a fighter pilot for years; he flew F-106s, and told me, “There’s no way in the world a pilot could have survived that.” He said, “Accelerating isn’t bad, but you gotta stop. When you stop, the G-forces will break your body to pieces.”
I met the four Air Force pilots involved in the Cash-Landrum incident in 1980. It involved an extraterrestrial craft that we had reverse-engineered. And I know that for a fact.
[The Cash-Landrum UFO Incident― SG]
On December 29, 1980 at approximately 9 p.m., Betty Cash (age 51), Vickie Landrum (age 57) and Colby Landrum (Vickie's seven-year-old grandson) were driving home to Dayton, Texas on an isolated two-lane road in dense woods. The witnesses reported seeing a bright light above some trees which they initially thought was an airplane approaching Houston International Airport. Moving closer, they realized the light was coming from a huge diamond-shaped object which hovered about treetop level. The object’s base was expelling flames and emitting significant heat.
Cash and Landrum got out of the car to examine the object. Colby was terrified, and Landrum quickly returned while Cash remained outside the car. The witnesses later described the object to be shaped like a huge upright diamond about the size of a water tower with a flat top and bottom. Small blue lights ringed the center. Flames periodically shot out of the bottom, flaring outward, creating the effect of a large cone. Every time the fire dissipated, the UFO floated a few feet downwards toward the road. But when the flames blasted out again, the object rose.
The witnesses said the heat was strong enough to make the car’s metal body painful to touch―Cash said she had to use her coat to protect her hand from being burnt when she finally re-entered the car. When she touched the car’s dashboard, Vickie Landrum’s hand pressed into the softened vinyl, leaving an imprint that was evident weeks later. Investigators cited this hand print as proof of the witnesses’ accounts.
The object ascended over the treetops where it was surrounded by 23 tandem-rotor CH-47 Chinook military helicopters.
All three witnesses experienced symptoms associated with radiation sickness, with Cash having several extended hospital stays. Eventually, Cash and Landrum filed a complaint with the Judge Advocate Claims office at Bergstrom Air Force Base. A U.S. District Court judge dismissed their case, noting that the plaintiffs had not proven that the helicopters were associated with the U.S. Government; military officials testified that the United States Armed Forces did not have a large diamond-shaped aircraft in their possession.
The reverse-engineered craft was one of those big ones. It was not saucer shaped; it was more of a huge oval shape. There were four members of the crew―the two pilots, a systems officer that was handling the equipment, and the navigator. They had trained for nine months before they ever flew it. And then they trained another four or five months, flying it all around Nevada. And it worked fine.
The problem was that they couldn’t manipulate it the way they needed to for a human pilot to fly it. Instead of an ET propulsion system (zero-point-energy), they put one of our nuclear propulsion systems in it.
The ARV took off just fine from Nevada, and it flew perfectly. They were going to an air base in Texas―I think it was Webb Air Force Base in Big Springs. The pilot told me they were flying at a high altitude―no problems whatsoever, until they slowed down. Then all hell broke loose. The system malfunctioned and they had this… something that was supposed to throw thrust, but the thruster was moving all around. And they had some kind of filter that didn’t work. It was just a mess. When they cut power so many things went wrong they almost crashed. They called for rescue helicopters.
The craft spurted radiation on those people. The pilots finally got it going again, and they landed it someplace. Then they flew it back to Nevada.
None of the pilots suffered any radiation problems. It was just those poor civilians on the ground who suffered terribly…
One of the security officers from Sandia Laboratories―they had their own security―was driving around on the graveyard shift after two o’clock in the morning and saw an ET craft land at a bunker. When it landed, all the electronics in the vehicle shut off―his engine, his portable radio, and the radio in the vehicle―all for as long as that craft was on the ground. When it took off everything came back on.